JULIAN PAGEL | The Planche Journey | Interview | The Athlete Insider Podcast #27
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if you don't feel it you don't got it that's that's the point i think it's a big difference between athletes who achieving like crazy skills like full planche or full maltese yo gorillas welcome to the athlete insider podcast by gornation my name is phil and today's guest is no other than the swiss calisthenics champion of 2019 and still the current champion the the planche beast of switzerland he is called and uh yeah like a sponsored athlete by gornation i'm really happy to welcome you julian pagel from switzerland hi julian hi phil thank you for that opportunity i'm very excited to be the part of that podcast interview interview series yes i'm also really i'm really into interested in your i know i mean like we know each other personally but i know that the people um are really interested in your training methods in your um planche secrets so yeah um let's jump into it how do you present yourself to somebody who doesn't know you who is julian so actually um i present myself first of all i present myself on the sports side so i'm telling them yo what's up my name is julian i'm a very supportive guy i'm doing calisthenics and first question is always what is calisthenics and yeah i think all athletes know that question and my answer is always like the same i'm telling them like it's a little bit different from gymnastics but got some similar similar exercises like the planche or also on the rings in gymnastics or something else yeah for example so that's a big part of me of course that's why i'm at coronation and on the other side and i'm very like into economics so i'm studying economics and yeah that's about it so this is my week training studying yeah nice and before we jump into your week because you i know that you are somebody who puts a lot a lot of time and energy in in his sport um is um yeah how old are you i'm 22 22. and where are you born so i'm born in the city of switzerland called basil it's like at the border of germany and that's why i'm training with mika a lot and he's from germany but like also at the board of switzerland so we can meet each other like every time when you go by car how many minutes do you need to go over to germany to the border like 15 minutes it depends on the traffic but normally 15 minutes okay that's cool how tall are you i would say i'm a little bit taller than the normal athlete the normal static athlete and and i'm one week to 78 and about almost 80 kilos so also a little bit bigger i would say that's true um like i think many of the people who see your instagram posts etc they wouldn't expect like i mean you look massive and like of course but uh in general you when you see somebody doing planches like that you expect him um to be like smaller to be like like this high yeah it's like it's like this often so um yeah that's uh that's some some special thing about you and um yeah you already told us about your um your study um what are you working as so i'm working as a accountant so i'm doing like the finances of a of a company and beside it i'm studying economics at my university in boston cool nice and um yeah let's get to your calisthenics journey how did you get in touch with with the sport how was your first contact point so actually it was like um a switch from another sport um i was doing breakdance a long time and i felt weak at some point and i asked my my friend who was doing breakdance with me if he could help me because he was doing like bodyweight exercises outdoors and i was thinking it could help and then he took me with him and there were some people who are which are doing like human flag or the back lever which i didn't know there and i was really fascinated and i tried stuff like muscle up or human flag and it went really well i did it in the first try actually so and i discovered a little bit of talent in that sport so i switched and every time a little bit more to calisthenics than to breakdance so that was the discovery of me and calisthenics i think and were you good in breakdance like did you have some some crazy skills or i don't know how good you know breakdance but they are like it's like calisthenics you got in calisthenics dynamics and aesthetics and the breakdance you got the power moves and the dancing part and that was the power move guy so maybe because of that i learned planche that fast or i don't know but at some point i i felt weak and didn't make any progress so i wanted to be stronger for more power moves etc okay and um like you're an athlete that is uh defined a little bit uh with his uh planche because you're it's like your i think it's your favorite move at least that's what your instagram tells that's true um so how long did it take um for you to learn the straddle planche like let's say 80 clean one okay um yeah i would say correct form took me about two months with locked arms and a straight body yeah it's it's fast i think but yeah maybe because of the breakdance part i don't know but a really clean one took me i don't know maybe half a year like with the hollow body and and some variations like pres presses or push-ups took me like six months yeah okay and from there to the full planche that was a crazy way because it was like up and downs because of injuries or i don't know exams the full planche was very hard to achieve from my side i landed after one year lost it again relearned it lost it relented and now i'm at the point i would say where i really able to do a full planche clean and long holds so i don't know maybe you can say after one year or maybe now after five years it's hard to say what you seeing in i can do a full pledge yeah that's true and often like we did a lot quite some video shoots together already and uh what is fascinating for me is your standard of a clean uh of a clean move you know like a lot of people have some some picture in the head about a straddle planche a clean one and you have different standards you know like we had to shoot some moves we had to shoot like five or six times because you said ah no it wasn't clean and for us it was clean yeah let's see let's go to the next when you were like no it's not team yeah maybe it's because i i train a lot with gymnastics people and they are like strict in forms maybe it's because of that but i mean for me if someone can hold a full planche with with locked arm and a straight body but only for three seconds without any variations for me it isn't really he isn't really able to do a full planche for me to be able to do a full planche should be like you can do variations to do a full planche the whole training also at the end of the training and yeah at least five seconds yeah okay that's my opinion yeah and that's good um because like um gymnastics people have like really high standards and uh i think if you get in touch with them but you never did you never did gymnastics yourself or um no no i never did that no okay because if i watch your plans then your like moves how you move often it it it it's a little bit like like gymnastics but um how how come except my feet here except my yeah in gymnastics they always want to stretch your feet but i can't do that i always cramp okay um and when you when you switched from breakdance to calisthenics your goal was to to gain strength was it because of looks did you want to look like bigger or was it really the skills that you wanted to learn or was it the the strength in reps so at the beginning it really was because of the strength but i i was not sure about the looks also because i gained some strength and some looks and some gains and then i tested out half a year of gym so fitness and weightlifting and there i gained a lot of muscles and i was happy about it of course but it didn't satisfy me enough so i switched back to street workout full time yeah and so i knew i'm doing it for the moves not for the looks okay what is the the biggest difference in uh gymnastics versus street workout for you the biggest difference is to be free actually because this noon i talked with the gymnastics trainer of switzerland and and he told me that in competitions you have to do like preset um moves which are going to be yeah i don't know maybe you have to do for example first you do on rings the planche then the maltese and you have to do that in this exact uh combination and in street workout you are way more free than in gymnastics you can do whatever you want you can push your strengths and maybe leave your weakness a little bit away doing more statics and dynamics or more dynamics than di aesthetics yeah that's a point i love about street workout and it's competitions okay so you basically love that you don't have to do dynamics i love dynamics actually but you had a long break now because of uh what was it a shoulder yeah i had a tendon tour here and it was like 15 months without any puddling so i lost my front level i lost every dynamic move but i'm coming back slowly i got all almost every dynamic move again yeah front left is also back but not that strong yet but it's coming i still remember the world championship last year in in moscow uh where you were only able to do your pledge and it was like so i don't know so sad to see because uh we felt the disappointment when we saw you doing the p-bar sets and um yeah how was this for you yeah actually i was at my strongest point before moscow before before the injury and when it happened my doctor and my physio said that it will be okay until moscow but it wasn't so i had i really had to hope until two weeks before moscow and then it shudder it yeah but it's it just told me that i have to be more prepared for something like that and to be more prepared for a competition so i can make it even better next time and i will make it better next time in moscow nice because it's it's still quite impressive that you went there you know you were able you were you're like uh conscious about the not being able to do pool movements not dynamics like it's it takes some some courage to go there and just do uh some planches and like maybe i because the people don't know you know like they can say oh look at this guy he's the champion and like now he's doing only planche like um did it take or what did it do within you so yeah i mean i i also could say i'm not going to moscow because of the injury because it was clear a long time ago before most cancer but the thing is that the hype in moscow you can't compare it with any other competition it's just different because so many countries are coming together waving together and for me moscow is more like i would say not i would not say fun but like the yeah the fun must be on the first point not like the oh i want to get first place everything else is bad i'm not enjoying moscow so i mean also the sessions after the competitions or before the competition they were also like such as good as the competition itself itself okay yeah so it's more about the feeling and it's like meeting friends i guess for you as well and then having to land in the on the i don't know and on the podium yeah also that feeling if you when you see i mean the athletes you see them maybe twice or three times a year and to see them all together again now it's it's nice man that's true um let's switch to your daily routine how does your your day look like a typical day in the life of julian so it's it's like not that big of a difference in my day because i have either i'm working the whole day and today in the evening i'm going to train or i'm studying for economics for my university and then then i'm going to train on the weekends i just pray and that's about it of my life it's like three three things sounds great yeah but but but that's but that's the life i love okay so um what what astonished me is um how many hours you put into sports uh every week um because i know like high-class athletes who uh even they like they put i don't know um they train three times a per week maybe an hour a session is three hours then one stretching session per week mobility session so they come to i don't know 15 maximum 20 hours per week for training so how many hours do you train per week how it's it's quite different but normally um if i go for a full training week it's about 26 to 28 hours per week and i know it sounds crazy but if you think about it your body just needs to feel that tension all the time and after some some some time you feel good about it and then if you train per day like three or four hours a competitions feel from the from the i don't know how to say it in english from the cardio side and yeah from the endurance side it's really easy so yeah from the endurance it's like you train the endurance really strong to do like all the time planches like four hours in a row planches you don't get tired that's the big plus i would say of training that much okay so you put in a lot of work and um because you just spent a lot of time in in planche it gets easier for your body than uh for somebody right right who's training like i don't know uh let let's say evans every second day um the the body doesn't get used to the to the pressure to the um yeah to the right right pressure that fast okay and i also remember the the shooting the shooting days like um the last one that we had that we had like four days with a lot of shootings and i don't know how many minutes uh you spent in in full planche on these days but you know like this these are the moments where you feel it it's like maybe comparable to to a competition because you have to do again and again again across the day um so spread on the day but um yeah you you build endurance even though it's a power move i guess yeah but actually this was one of the hardest week i've ever did because i don't know if some of you saw my planche 1 to 100 video but there you can see that i'm actually struggling with full planche or something else and that's the point because i want to do that better because i know i can do that yeah that's uh that's hurting the ego i think um if yeah we have like it's crushing my heart yeah and coming back really quick to the point of um getting used to long trainings that's also my philosophy to getting used to that moves so if you if you don't feel it you don't got it that's that's the point i think it's a big difference between athletes who achieving like crazy skills like full planche or full maltese compared to them who do not achieve it okay what do you mean with uh you feel it um like feeling after the video with valentine and he told you that you have to see the move and he's actually right because um if someone wants to learn a plan from me i'm always saying then you have to train consistent you have to be consistent and the body needs to feel that pressure over and over again to get used to it so then you can achieve it much more faster than someone who is doing like all right i'm going with a plan doing two times per week planche training because i think that's not quite good for planching okay get it um what do you think is the the secret or like the um your formula of success to learn the planche was it like that you just put a lot more time into into the planche than others is it that you have a good genetics is it um your your workout um plan like do you work out smart what what is it why are you so good in planche i would say it's not only in planches and it's overall in static moves and it's about the consistency and train smart so listen to your body if you have pain strong pain then rest two times rest are not that bad than two weeks because of an injury so i think if you do do the planche or front level as often as you can but listen to your body i think that's the secret if you i mean if you have a plan where you train two times per week the planche let's say monday wednesday and you did the pledge on wednesday and feeling on thursday i have power again but you're not doing it because of the plan i think that's dumb to be honest so get used to that much and do it over and over again you have to feel it okay so speaking of like smart training um i think um that um like you have a lot of stuff that you can give to somebody and if you would start as a beginner right now you would progress much much faster and smarter and maybe also with with less injuries with less time etc and yeah we prepared some or like you prepared something something something special in the last weeks and months um do you want to to talk about it yeah actually i i've worked since i would say four months on a on a planche program it's not actually a program but it should show you which exercises are the best for the planche to achieving the fastest way and i did that with my own personal experience to build up on on it and put in the best exercises which helped me the most to achieving the planche the fastest way so and all the all the exercises are body weight exercises so you don't need any anything else like like extra weight or something that's nice um and yeah we will come to this uh later on but um like um i think the thing that calisthenics athletes often neglect is that you can take shortcuts you can take the experience of somebody else which is like in my opinion why gymnastics uh is like so much advanced and power etc and there are so many uh people on high level because the experience is not like lost you know like there are some athletes really really strong um a lot of knowledge that don't share it with people um and um this is why i think um for beginners for intermediate for somebody who wants to uh like even coaches somebody who wants to give his knowledge to uh to his clients etc this uh like uh having a program from somebody who is really an expert in on this field um helped so much um so yeah um since this sunday um the the the planche program is uh online so uh when this interview is online uh from like the last sunday it's it's online and uh yeah the link is in the description also with the with the code coronation 10 you get 10 off um just just uh yeah for you for those who who are interested um and um like your weekly schedule for for workouts um let's say like when when somebody watches your stories i only see planches like since a few weeks i also see uh like a a muscle up and a planche and a 540 and 360. so you're getting back in dynamics but what what does your workout schedule for the week look like now when you can do uh dynamics and statics so actually um aesthetics like i said i'm trying to be consistent and to do a lot as much aesthetics as i can do and and for the dynamics i'm quite i try to be careful because of the injury because i don't really know how strong my tour already is my tendon sorry and so i i would say i'm training dynamics one or two times per week also like single moves not combos already and maybe easy combos but not that hard and trying to get my old level back slowly but i would say i'm already on a good level maybe a dynamics video is coming soon again but yeah it's it's it's hard because i still feel some pain sometimes if i'm doing front ever holds more than five seconds it feels like it's going to tour again so it's not that nice and how do you treat it do you it just needs time yeah okay so stretching or like massage or what can you do to help recover and it's i did three months of physiotherapy and after that um i was able to do like pull ups muscle ups even short front level holds and that showed me that i'm able to start again slowly so i did like front level with the resistance bonds even though i could hold it with without resistance bonds just to be careful and build up the strength again because i really felt the lack of my strength here so i don't want to feel that that disappointment of one year not doing pull again again and what would be the um the the advice that you would give your older self like what would be the advice that you would do one and a half years ago to avoid that injury like i said listen to your body that's the most important thing because before that that happened i also the the muscles here were a little bit stretched so i felt a little a little bit of pain already and i did that special combo i was filming it and the last 540 was like critical but i wanted to catch it because i was filming it so maybe first listen to your body then to instagram or the camera okay so you you tore your tendon on on camera yes okay [ __ ] yeah did you at least get some money from fail army or was it completely for for free i didn't post it yet but maybe if you ask now i will i will send it to you maybe i don't know i'm not sure if i want to see it but yeah you can see it actually okay okay um yes um what are the what is the advice um like apart from listening to your body um and not doing stuff only for social media what would be the advice that you would give to a beginner i would say the biggest advice is to be motivated bring some discipline and just do it for fun and not like like i said for for the looks or or maybe you have to go for the looks but if you're doing calisthenics that's for me it's like for the moves so set your goals set your goals for like a planche or one on hands and try to achieve them smartly listen to the body and and use special techniques because they are always like special techniques where you can learn for example a one on hand stand much more faster than the normal guy would do it yeah most of the people do not know that okay i really like the the first point that you said um because um a lot of people when they see a move somebody doing a muscle up or a human flag etc they want to learn the move and because of the moves sake and not because of like they like the training and they love the everyday's training and um yeah i mean i saw you training a few times but it's really like you enjoy your training and it's of course sometimes it's pain of course sometimes you're not motivated but like most of the times training is fun for you right you you meet with friends you go to your borders like you you test the limits of your body um and you don't do it just to have a crazy planche to be able to do some nice shots for social media and to have the 10k yeah i think also the the community you build up is a very big um plus in this sport because if you compare it to the to the fitness fitness centers and you you always see the people are training alone with the with the airports or whatever and most of the time i think they don't even enjoy the training they are just doing it because they can go home and saying oh i did some sports today nice but i'm going home and i'm still motivated to go to the next training to the after yeah and so and so on yeah so yeah when you're when you're sad on rest days because you have to rest um that's a that's a good sign for for some stuff you know but it shows that you like the training not just the results of the training on red states i even i even train but on my mind because i'm watching street workout videos and analyzing some techniques maybe to maybe some new moves or whatever for example the dragon planche is a really good example and i watched a lot of videos to see how this move is working and if you really really get how it's working it's actually an easy move if you can do a destroyed flange because you then know where to grip and which angle to put the parallettes and stuff yeah or also i don't know if you know the zanetti maltese you know that on on the vertical pose if you pull like this up and i just saw one video where a guy is was doing it and i always held the ball like that with the guy in the video did it like that so i tried it and suddenly it worked just because you can push with your thumb or what yeah right because then you can activate more muscles in the floor okay something like that yeah then maybe i'm gonna try no um yeah no but that's that's nice i i never thought about that doing that in in street workout because in football in like a lot of advanced sports it's normal to do video analysis to um to yeah analyze the the opponents or like competitors etc but in street workout i think i've never heard that somebody does that but i think it's a good pro tip to to get over depression on rest days yeah our trainings are actually like i would say 30 percent filming and watching our videos not because only of of the enjoyment because also of the ending stuff so you see what could you do better or is my form good enough yeah yeah do you also do basics um like pull-ups dips um like stuff like that in your trainings i actually started with it and i did it for like one year i think besides the statics move itself but after i started to compete and my basics are like steady combos i'm always doing combos and at the end of the training single moves okay like i said consistency in those moves if you if you have one one day where you're doing like only reps and sets for me it's one day of losing consistency wow that's my philosophy wow okay okay maybe interesting um yeah i'll think about that um but uh yeah not a lot of people do that um like the that they don't do basics so this is why i'm uh i'm a little bit shocked but um yeah it's okay um you have your workout team genesis uh what's the story yes about this this team how did it how was it founded and actually me and some other friends founded um another team the name i don't want to say no and and then we got some some problems there and we just left i would say that's team and founded a new team called genesis with with friends who got the same philosophy not like on the other team which were a little bit different minded so we created that new stuff and we came on the name genesis because it means something new and it's another other word for it like synonym and yeah now we're working on something to can build our own gym or something like that we we're thinking about about it we're stepping forward nice and how many members do you have right now exactly ten ten okay and do you still accept new ones or is it like you and your your gang and it takes that somebody can join or how does it work no we we really want to get bigger also in switzerland and but we also want that people are welcomed which are motivated and not we we had it enough times that some people came for two times said oh my god this is the new sport i want to do it but never came again so we do not like that so okay if someone is going to join us they stay with us yeah okay um like besides training what do you do do you do mobility stuff like that what is um apart from analyzing uh videos the stuff that you do besides your training to improve your view as an athlete i do a little bit of mobility like stretching in the beginning of the training even though it's not the best thing in in the beginning for strength training should be at the end of the training i heard but i'm not sure about it actually um and also what i think what a good way is to progress is to try out new stuff maybe new variations in a handstand for example maybe not only the normal handstand maybe trying to iguana handstand because the iguana handstand also helps you for the one-on-one instance so it's like little dead details which are going to help you for for another move try to be creative okay get it and what are your goals for the future um do you have some still some some goals for this year uh for this year actually getting my dynamics combos back and i would say i'm on a good way because most of the combos i already got and to be able to compete again next year and i really want to go to moscow again and going to be in that top 10 is my goals sometime i really train hard for it i would say i'm almost ready in statics because i'm at a very good static level right now maybe let's see what's dynamic is coming i need some work to be done okay what's the the best dynamics combo that you can do right now that you're most satisfied with i would say like a special giant to alejoup combo like the x-grip giant to normal giant to a loop to shrimp flip to 540 and then maybe adding double 360 or something i'm also working on 720 it's i'm actually it's touching the bar every time when i'm doing it so i'm pretty close so yeah hopefully soon so you did post for the whole uh november now on instagram uh so um the next post we should put some notification spells on because yeah the next the next post should actually be a really complete video of dynamics and aesthetics okay that's that's the goal of the next post and also a very go nation style sounds beautiful nice nice um yes do you have an idol in planche or somebody that you look up to when you work on your planche if you ask on planche itself i could i can easily say yes because it's valentin i think no other has a crazier planche level that him it's just amazing and crazy shout out to you okay yeah and uh general and general i would say it's quite difficult but right now what's it i would say danielle's license because he's one of the completest athletes i would say i mean he's got strong statics strong dynamics and strong combos you don't find that a lot yeah so you're also also on on his photography and video skills like he how he's doing the videos was quite quite nice that's true so you're also aiming to like for this complete completeness of an athlete right yeah i mean if you if you do want to compete in competitions you have to be complete if not you don't get on a high rank that's easy that's true but there are like a few competitions where it's only statics for example isn't burning gate uh like at least like yeah like in the past there it was only only aesthetics but now they are adding like for shrimp flip or 360 some extra points which you can guard but it's not like that big points if you do a full planche but still dynamics are involved now okay um what is your recommendation for somebody who wants to progress fast um for uh training equipment is it like uh smart to work on rings um is it like uh is parallax necessary like bands weights what what shortcuts or what equipment do you need for your training and not like coordination equipment now but in general that that helps people you know um i would say it's like different from move to move um if you want to learn handstand my recommendation is to learn it on floor so without any other stuff and try to focus just on floor not doing floor then parallettes and floors and parallels just flow and if you're able to do it then you can switch to the parallettes and so on because also here your body needs to get used to that movement and the one arm handstand on floor is different than on parallettes you need different muscles and yeah and for the planche um most people like to train with the resistance band i never did that actually because um if you put the band on the hip that's also most of the time the points where are people the weakest because they are they they don't drain the waste i think that's that's a point where you should think about it is it useful to train with a band if if i'm already weak at the lower back that's um i don't know but if you want to train like strength dynamics there's no way where you can better train the strength dynamics then with the bound resistance bound okay that's my point of view i think okay nice so uh yeah we're coming to an end um and coming to the short questions short answers or quick questions quick answers um what foods do you prefer pizza or burger okay and are you a dog or a cat person don't dog all the time but do you have one no sadly not i'm allergic to it oh no what really yeah but there are like dogs you can you could have because they don't lose hair or yeah the allergy was in in my childhood but now i don't feel anything if i pet a dog or something okay it should be good now i think it's it's gone and otherwise it's the same with planche you have to put a lot of pressure on your body and right one day you really get used to it you really get faster every day waking up with nice um do you have a favorite location for holidays um apart from munster of course first of all it should be at the beach and one of my favorites it's always hard to be a decision between two one of them is miami and the other one is cancun in miami the wipe with calisthenics and the beach is just amazing and in cancun you get that paradise feeling so those both i can't decide um what is the the worst exercise for you the nightmare exercise um the the exercise if i would say julian please do this exercise you would say ah no i don't want to do it please i think you know it it's actually pull ups whoa okay yeah i don't like it well okay but muscle up is cool for you but just pull up is not good yeah right okay so pull ups are like you can do i mean you can do easily do 15 20 pull-ups but it's just a pain in the ass to be honest for me for most people it's pain in their laps or in the biceps but if it's for you like pain in the ass that's um that's okay like maybe you do them wrong or something that's it that's it okay um do you have a favorite book are you a reader uh no i'm not a reader guy but i i read one book in school that i actually liked i mean that i liked okay sorry what's the name in english the perfume i think it's called the perfume okay yeah that's a book okay cool yeah you have to read it if if you read a guy read it it's a good one okay yeah i always like i always have the intention if somebody read three books in his life and recommends one the chance is really low that it's really actually a good book because it doesn't have a comparison of like to a lot of books but yeah i i will read it yeah so if i'm only doing planche and handstand in my stories two moves you would not take my recommendation and planche advices seeing i'm seeing this right oh it's going oh it's a good comparison yeah i don't know we can maybe we can cut this or skip this but yeah i don't like the question what's the best calisthenics event you've ever been at who um so for for the wife this it was actually the street workout out to my pet street in madrid because the the wave was really it was crazy everyone was screaming it pushing it's each other but the one which i enjoyed the most most was the world of power heroes 2019 the organization and it just was professional organized okay shout out to both great organizations great event organizers who have like a hard time right now because there are no events and we we really hope that next year and next summer that there will be some some possibilities to do that yeah we'll see hopefully yes um if you would have to decide to either do planche like to to either do statics the rest of your life or dynamics but not both what would you choose of course static guy okay easy answer okay nice um and like if you already say uh or like me the planche um let's come back to um to your planche program so if somebody wants to learn from you we put the link in the description for your planche exercises and um i think there is a discount also um a general one a big one um for the for the first ones who decides to to buy it uh what what is it exactly uh for the first two weeks i'm i'm going to put the program 40 down so 40 discount for everyone and if you use the code go nation 10 it's in the description i think yeah you will get an extra 10 off okay so it's for one week so if this um interview uh comes out on thursday two weeks sorry um so it's like for 10 days when you listen this on on the launch date um yes so i think that's a good chance and yeah we will put all the links in the description if somebody wants to ask you something how can they reach you best um like in general um some contact um i would say the best is either way you it where you you text me on instagram or via my website uh scrolling down you can fill out the gaps and contact me great but you're one somebody who answers his dms on instagram right yeah if they answer good questions sure can i get a shout out okay i had it one time i had it one time and someone just sent me his planche picture on instagram and said bro can you give me tips and pledge and then i checked he first of all he didn't say hey second of all um we don't know each other so i'm not you broke third of all he didn't even follow me okay so that's i don't yeah yeah there are weird requests but if you ask kindly uh julian will reply and help um yeah so yeah we're coming to an end um thanks to everyone first of all for listening we're already like one hour in and i'm really happy for everyone listening to this till the end um because uh yeah it's a funny interview because it's like um i don't know when we two we usually speak in in germany and it's a little bit different communication so it's it's quite funny to to speak to you in english but i hope that you you can take a lot of stuff with you a lot of advice and a lot of stuff um little hints little um yeah lifestyle um insights from from the planche beast from switzerland so yeah thanks for listening thanks for um yeah supporting this and if you want to let this series continue leave a comment down below with the name of the person who should be interviewed next share it like it do whatever you want with it and now you have the last words to say goodbye and yeah thanks for your time julian as well and see you soon guys to you phil and thanks to you for listening and watching the video i would say subscribe to gornation and hopefully see you guys soon