SWEDISH FREESTYLE BEAST | Interview with Malin Jansson | Athlete Insider Podcast #65
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it's never too late to start because i started calisthenics pretty late i didn't think i would be able to do anything and look at me now don't let anyone tell you what you can or can't doyo Gorillas welcome to the athlete insider podcast by GORNATION my name is phil and today's guest is the swedish freestyle beast three times national swedish champion nordic champion and one of the most successful girls in the calisthenics game i'm super happy to welcome you to the show marlene malayan you so much for having me what an introduction yeah like i prepared it for hours your instagram bio was a big was it was a good help for that but it's impressive like impressive titles and i think it doesn't describe you as a whole person because there's so much more to to uh to know about you and this is why we are here but it's a good introduction i think yeah sounded nice cool yeah super happy that we made it um yeah yeah we can uh we can we have a lot of questions from the community we have uh some interesting topics to talk about um how are you these days everything's good on in sweden yeah like it's uh yeah it's all good i mean we're working hard um despite the circumstances um now actually today the uh sweden opened up like all the restrictions that we've ever had so i mean the pandemic is not over but we don't have any restrictions anymore wow um so that's that's nice let's hope it stays like positive like this sure so i'm happy that you didn't cancel the the interview because you had to go outside and enjoy the the world without restrictions so uh yeah let's uh let's kick off with the interview um before we jump into your story etc how do you present yourself who are you for the people who don't know you uh simple but hard question not to say that but i would present myself as my name is molin i'm from sweden i'm a calisthenics athlete um i work with social media and also personal training both online and like here in stockholm sweden uh yeah i think something like that cool how old are you right nowoh what was i allowed to ask themuh i'm actually 29 and i'm turning 30 in may okay so almost 30. wow wow didn't i didn't expect that like i think a lot of people didn't expect that exactly i i always hear that i look younger and i take that as a compliment i guess i think as a as a woman i think you you take it as a compliment like for for guys i think often it's it's more like an insult the other way yeah yeah yeahcool um yeah how did you get in touch with the sport when did you start with calisthenics uh take us a little bit on the on the road uh what what yeah what brought you into contact with calisthenics um it's a funny story uh so six a little more than six years ago i uh i applied for a tv show called ninja warriors i don't know if you guys know about it but yeah it's like this huge obstacle course kind of yeah ninja warrior course uh we had it two seasons in sweden back then so 2014 and 15 i think uh it wasn't a success since it hasn't been since then anyway i applied for it and um i got a part of it for some reason and that's where i met daniel my boyfriend and also a friend you probably know about him as well donna donna j stark um we became really close friends and back then donna already did calisthenics and he had done it for like two years or something um i had no no idea about what it was i haven't heard about it i haven't seen anything like nothing like it but daniel knew about it and so when we met donna and he like he talked about it and showed some clips and stuff i was like whoa that's some crazy stuff uh and then it was like i i can i come practice with you i i have wanted to try this for so long because you've seen it on youtube and stuff and they were like you need to come as well and i was like no i don't think soit was like they showed me clips of some like strong guys i mean it wasn't it wasn't that like crazy back then but still like muscle ups maybe 360 or something it was insane for me um but they kind of forced me to to come try it and today i'm super thankful and happy for it of course because i mean i went to one practice and i kind of fell in love with the with the art of training so uh yeah so that's how it all started super cool uh how was your level back then like your fitness level were you able to do a pull-up already or no um yeah that's always something that i like tell people when they ask me um when i started i couldn't do like one single pull-up i wasn't strong like i mean of course i have had fundamental strength because i've been doing sports my whole life um but i couldn't do that kind of strength training so no pull up at all wow so no pull up like push-ups sometimes push-ups yes some push-ups i could do i guess yeah uh but that's likethat's basically the the level was pretty low of course if if we compare to today true and uh yeah how did your training look back then like how did you get the first pull-up how long did it take and how did your training look like oh my god it's so like it's so hard to remember how i got my first pull-up like i don't think i really worked that much specifically specifically to get the pull-up but i did other um stuff like other training of course and then i kind of got the pull-up just i don't know how to explain it for free i don't know how to start but i rememberi didn't pay for it um but i remember me and daniel were walking like in a park um just taking a walk no training or something and then i think it was like maybe three or four weeks into calisthenics training and he said to me like now go try pull up i was like no way no no no i can't but then somehow i got myself up there china with a bar and i was looking for a fill up and it was in there it was a nice moment i can imagine yeah nice and uh yeah like what was the moment maybe where you thought yeah i i will stick to this sport i will i will become champion like uh like did you have this this one moment um i think pretty early when i started training i felt like i think this is something that i might become pretty good at because i learned pretty fast um maybe not like strength wise but technique-wise freestyle and stuff like that um i actually started to do freestyle before i did strength training like pull-ups and stuff so i learned the i learned like dynamic muscle up before i could do a pull-up wow yeah so uh so i just like i started training um like i started to watch of course on social media watch learn more about the sport and stuff and i just wanted to learn stuff that i found like interesting and cool and that looked like fun to do um and i i was drawing more into the i was drawn more into freestyle skills rather than like static skills and stuff but that's also something that i can a little bit regress today but i didn't start working on this strength more um but i mean you live and you learntrue and uh like how did yours uh freestyle work look like um did did somebody teach you like uh did you have like i don't know donna or like daniel were they already more advanced so they could give you some advice or how did you learn the first free samples yeah um so then i were of course more advanced me and daniel we started kind of at the same level in pre-style he was of course stronger than me but in frista uh so then i could coach a little bit but a lot of it's it's actually self-taught so just like watching there wasn't many like tutorials back then on freestyle but just like trying you know feeling trying uh watching other guys do it and yeah and how how is the calisthenics scene in sweden is it well developed or were you one of the first ones and then you from there it developed um it isn't very developed at least not among girls i think i was like the second or third girl starting to compete in calisthenics um so and i still think it's not that big of a sport in sweden uh and it's unfortunate because it's such a cool sport and it should be more developed in my opinion sure definitely like it it feels it's a little bit a little bit similar like in germany because it's also like a colder country where it's more difficult and uhlike uh yesterday i had the the interview with andre strong like an ukrainian athlete and in ukraine there are parks everywhere like the father works together with the sun and everybody as from a child on trains outside but um i don't know for you but like my parents didn't go to work out in the park with me so it's like a complete difficult a different culture totally totally 100 agree but you said that you worked out your whole life uh like uh you did sports your whole life so maybe you can talk a little about you what did you do in the in the past as a child etc of course um so i started with like soccer and floorball um when i was maybe six or something um it's very like huge here in sweden and especially in the city that i was born and raised um so i did that like most of my childhood then i switched to cheerleading um 180 switch switch to cheerleading um did that for eight years did my last two years in the swedish national team um but then at some point i felt like i am not progressing anymore um i started a little bit to become afraid to try new things you know like flips and stuff um i was pretty tiny back then so i was the flyer so the one you throw up to do flips and stuff i didn't develop anymore i become a bit scared so i quitand then i started to just go to the gym you know regular like gym training um mostly like cardio because i didn't know better back then um and i thought it was pretty boring to be honest i went to the gym on my own for like one or two years it was pretty boring and then that's when the um like that's when the like article about ninja warrior showed up and i applied so yeah that's basically it interesting so cheerleading on a on a professional level level like when you said you were part of the the national team like you wereyeah like competing in the world championships wow is it somehow comparable to calisthenics or like to your current athlete career likei mean yes and no yes because it takes a lot of courage a lot of hard work um it's it's like a it's a sport for show as well um so but no because uh like i mean for my composition in cheerleading i was the flyer um i wasn't that strong so when i said earlier that i had like fundamental strength it's of course because i know how to tension my body i need to be like stable and everything up there when they throw me that that was it like and also uh what i got from the from cheerleading is also a lot of uh like body control and awareness and that's really good to have in in calisthenics of course um what else yeah i think so something cheerleading is already like much more developed like uh and and professional than calisthenics or would you say otherwise um in sweden i'm not sure actually i think it's pretty equal because i remember we it was a challenge in uh when i when i did cheerleading as well to like grow the sport here um but i would say yeah it should like if we look at competitors like athletes that compete in cheerleading should be a lot more than in calisthenics yeah because there's a lot of different teams so yeah it's it's bigger than calisthenics interesting did you be think like in the beginning of your calisthenics career that you would become that strong or like that you would go the the path that you you went in the last years never in a million yearsno but like like my first comment when donna and daniel showed me some clips i was like i would never be able to do that never and today i'm doing that and more so it's really really really cool to like look back look back at it but also it's sad that i had that mindset you knowbut yeah i never thought that i would be where i am today actually but how did you overcome this mindset because it's an interesting thing i would say it's the problem of of more people like and and i feel it's more girls as well who who who don't think that they are able to do the stuff that they see um how did you overcome the the mindset is it just ignoring it and just working hard or like what was what was the the reason why you overcame that negative mindset and still became the best version of yourselftrue about the girls i think so as well um i mean i don't know if i have a super good answer to this uh but like it was it's hard work you you have to like uh if those thoughts come to you you need to try to like like stir them in another direction work on the positive thing it's like uh you need to constantly try and constantly think and try to overcome fears and there's a lot of ways to do that like withmy like mindset work it's not only training like physical training but there's a lot of practices you can do like i did a lot of i still do every day like mindfulness stuff uh and it's been really really helpful for meyeah because i think you have to work as a calisthenic athlete you have to work a lot on on your mindset like i mean what you what you do super well and why what i love to see from you is like sharing the pros process and you're also your uh you shared the moments where you weren't that happy with your progress where you um like were disappointed and uh like um that's something that not everybody does and that i i think is really important to show to the people out out there that uh like malin who who is sharing like the reels and who is like seems like the perfect calisthenics athlete uh she also has struggles you know and uh i love that you you share that um but it takes a lot of courage i guess uh courage i guess to to share that yeah i appreciate very much that you say that because that's something that's really important to me to like always stay true to myself like show my full for personality both ups and downs because we all know that no athlete has only ups we all know that so i mean in the beginning was pretty tough to show it but hey once you've done it you know it's not that bad so and and people can relate and people appreciate it very much that's that's true cool um yeah maybe uh looking back now um you the way you started like today you don't have to start with try on and arrow like you did um but there are like a lot of uh cool tutorials online like uh for example danielle fleetfield he has like super good uh freestyle tutorials and there are there is a lot of good content out there and also coaches and um like um programs and a lot of stuff is out there so if you would you would be able to talk to to the to the malin like years ago at the beginning of your calisthenics career what would you do differently what would you tell heri would tell her to start work more on the strength firstbecause if if you work on the strength uh you will it will be easier with the freestyle as well um so that's something i would tell her i think actually that's the only thing that i would do differently if i started todaywhy would you recommend it is it because of joint health is it because you want to get more points in the competition because of a front lever or what is it good question because i would be uh like in my opinion i think i'm lacking a bit in the statics compared to my dynamics so and since i'm doing this to compete um i that would be like the uh the main the mainlike reason why i should do it differentlyso so yeah just to become stronger in the beginning in like those static and strength elements and but also of course work on the side with freestyle and like dynamics as well but back then i did only dynamics only freestyle like every single sessionhow many i mean maybe it was yeah like maybe like four i think uh days per week yeah per weeklike crazy yeah but still like four i think for a beginner uh it's still a lot like uh you mean you know like the the i think it because it's so intense for the joints for the shoulders and as a beginner that as well exactlyyeah so um yeah like today you also inspire like a lot of uh youngsters and you bring a lot of people and girls uh into the into the sport um so maybe speaking of some some general advice to to beginners um what do you do what other things that you would recommend to every beginner out there when they start with calisthenicsum i don't think it will be anything else than i've already talked about um but like start building a fundamental strength and mobility um and then like take help from people that know uh so you don't need to like do the beginner mistakes that i did and that a lot of people do and have a lot of fun along the way and still do like what you want to do what you i think looks fun but take try to take as much help from from a pros as possible basically sure are you still motivated in every workout like do you still are you still like enjoying every every training session no noi mean i mean i love training um but i'm not always motivated no one iswhat i do have is discipline i know what i want to achieve i know what i need to do to achieve it so if i'm not motivated then screw that go and do what you need to do and i always feel happy afterwards that's it simple as that yeah hard yeah it's simple but hard still yeah yeah yeah uh can you share a little bit of you from your current workout schedule for the week like how does your how does one workout week look like for you um so right now i'm in like a pre-competition season so i'm preparing for the swedish nationals which is in june i think um so uh right now but almost the whole year around it's pretty much looks the same but i'm doing uh i always do like four four training sessions per week of like strength and hypertrophy and two training sessions of freestyle and i also like to do some like cardio after that just like for the heart and for endurance um and right now i'm doing boxingmy presentations yeahsuper beginner but i'm learning um and those four strength sessions my split right now is two planche sessions and two front lever sessions because that's my two main goals in like strength anaesthetics at the momentcool that's how it looks yeah nice um favorite exercises do you have some uh some some some favorite exercise that helped you uh the most in the in the past or like that you're doing currently for for planche that you feel the most progress with oh such a hard question i mean there's a lot of questions that you can do but what i've noticed like lately i like to implement weights in my calisthenics training as well so for example i have a really clear example of that um a while ago i worked a lot on the hands-on push-up which i pre which i feel pretty like solid with now um and then i implemented just like regular military presses for example uh which helped a lot so a lot of like different kind of shoulder exercises in general helped me a lot with the handstand push-up so uh i've learned that it's not only about if you want to learn the handstand push-up you don't need to only do handstand push-ups you can do a lot more around that like for the shoulders um so that was a game-changer actually for me and that's what i've been continuing with um since then and i always like like to implement um weights in my training now that's cool because especially with the example of the handstand push-up for example if you do if you start with hands-on push-ups and then afterwards you do a military press your you can ignore the balance part and you can just focus on the strength and that's exactly that's cool um right i'm always interested in how how to combine statics and dynamics do you think statics and dynamics they help each other or are they completely different disciplines that need to be trained completely on its ownuhgood question i'm actually not sure like i um i think they could be practiced like completely on their own but i also think if you train aesthetics get really strong in that it could help you in dynamics as well but on the other way around like dynamics shouldn't be that's helpful for your static skills so to say do you get me yeah i get you like it's it's from seeing this like dynamics also they need it needs a lot of mobility and mobility like for example for the plan just like contra productive because um the more stiff you are the the easier it is for for the plants to have like you know like to have a stable flange and this is why that's why i don't have it yeahand this is like yeah yeah you're like too flexible that's that's it no but it's like really impressive for me if somebody is like a complete athlete because it's um it's yeah it's harder to combine this two i think because they need totally different training methods um and freestyle i see like what your freestyle training looks like you do trial and error right you you try again again or like how does one how does how do you train freestyle is it just trying trying and trying again until you're tired yes yeah basically and some like if i want to learn a new skill i need to like scale it down and do progression work uh but mostly like if there's stuff that i can do um it's just trying it over and over again basically okay people asked a lot about your hand balancing skills like uh about your uh your stable handstand which is like really impressive uh do you wanna share us a little bit your your handstand journey how did it go and what brought you the most progressoh so like i said i did cheerleading for eight years um so already back then i was used to be like upside down standing on my hands but in cheerleading we don't um or you don't you don't do a like you don't stand still there's more like walking or something like that but i was used to being upside down i had that body awareness but we never really worked specifically on the balance part um so that's actually something that i started with when i started calisthenics because i i noticed that it's a it's an important like skill to have you need to have a solid handstand of course um and now i forgot your questionyeah i don't remember what you asked what what brought you the most progress like i think the first thing was you had to learn to to stand like stand still i guess i see a lot of parkour guards guys or like a breakdance that they they are awesome and walking in handstand yeah yeah but for them it's hard to stand um yeah like so i just started working a lot on that i don't quite remember if i i think i just learned it by myself uh i think i like googled for some tips and tricks how to balance and stuff and then i pretty much self-taught um i learned to balance pretty fast i remember and then i started to work straight after i've learned the house then to work back on the handstand press and stuff um and yeah since i had the like flexibility and enough strength for it i could learn that pretty fast as well and today if you coach somebody who is doing who wants to learn the handstand how how is it the the most effective do you do you coach with the wall do you um like balance yourself like having someone uh touching touching you and uh holding you or how how do you how do you learn the handstand quickest um both like i use the wall i can use the box um like something to be support like something that can support the client it can be a resistance band from the roof that they need to like hold with the feet like something to support like like whatever well box me touching them but i always tell them like in the beginning if like the most one important thing to like have before they start working on the balance is the mobility and especially like in the shoulders and the wrists because if you learn how to balance like with the incorrect uh technique like mobility-wise it will be hard to correct that afterwards so i always tell them to like sort out the mobility first and then we can start working on the balancing parts like freestanding okay do you start with uh with a beginner do you start on the ground or do you start on parallettesmostly on the ground um but if like it depends what they want also but i always recommend i always start on the ground if they don't say anything else like if they're like i just want to learn it on the parallettes okay let's go with the parallels okay cool um yeah another question that was also uh like asked frequently was uh about your your life as an influencer um and maybe maybe you can share a little behind the scenes uh how is it like how does your typical day look like um is it is it real work is it is it work like uhi'm just chilling yeah yeah i mean i understand that i get that question uh well it's probably not like as glamorous as many might think um and it's not an easy job it's not like i wake up go to the gym make a video or a photo and then i post it and then i'm done with my job for the dayit's actually pretty hard work if i'm doing myself like it's a lot of researching um planning creating content thinking about giving value all the time to the audience um pressure to make your sponsors happy and proud um like a lot of time is spent on answering dms and comments just likei mean but i mean i love it um i wouldn't change it for like any other job today yeah that's cool was it was it a conscious decision to become uh an influencer or was it just something that developed along the way uh both yes and no um it was conscious to like start posting on social media and like researching what what should we post what should we write how should we do it hashtags etc but that it blew up like it did that early i wasn't expecting thatyeah that's cool what's uh what's your goal like uh do you have a long time long term goal uh with uh with i don't know with your social media life with with life in general like whether you see yourself in 10 years 20 years maybe even 10 let's say 10 years 20 years with social media i just like i don't have a goal of like getting more followers or something like that i just i'm just happy if i can influence people inspire them motivate them to like become the best version of themselves if i can just help as many many people as possible with what i do best i will be happy so i would say like for a more specific example for that would be like uh online courses let's say online courses uh if those can grow even more um i would probably like of course produce more of them um different ones um that would be that'll be greatbecause because then i know i give a lot of value i help people they reach out to me to learn something and i can help them without like speaking one one to one how do you say yeah and being limited and the people you can you can talk within your time so um that's that's definitely yeah exactly that's definitely cool um are these also the the moments that are that make you happiest like when you uh develop a new course or like post a new tutorial on on on youtube or on instagram or like uh and people respond happily to it like is is this the the happy the are these the the happy moments in the in an influencers life or what are these definitely for me it is definitely and also like i want to make my i have sponsors as well that's why i can work with social media and i work really hard to make them happy and satisfied as well but also to make me happy of course i'm not gonna i'm not just gonna do something that they want to see i'm still gonna be me and do it so uh it's a balance true it's about creating a win win-win situation so something cool for for the audience which brings a cool light on on the sponsor and then uh yeah like you profit from building a good relation to your community and to the sponsor so yeah exactly win win win win win win um but there are also people out there who are like um oriented on on lose lose situ situations and i think you also have to deal with some criticism uh with um people on the internet who aren't happy with themselves and we have to criticize so um yeah maybe you want to share a little bit about that how is it like um are there like what kind of people we don't have want to go into detail but like how is it like to also have be uh be you you be obligated obligated in your life to deal with these peopleoh well um like when i started this journey like on social media and becoming a public person um when i started to grow i wasn't really prepared for the criticism and especially not like as harsh as it can be people are brutal let me say that so in the beginning i pretty much took everything personally i cried because someone told me that i shouldn't look like this and that a woman shouldn't have this much muscles um yeah insane um but like throughout the years my mindset has changed uh changed a lot um so like today i would never take anything personally because i know that those comments uh mostly about my body and my looks uh comes from mostly men i'm not gonna say only men but mostly men um that are probably just jealous and like live in the past holding on to those like stupid norms about how a woman or a girl girl should look uh and yeah so i've i've been having a hard time like getting comments about it i've been really sad really like questioning do i want to do this really and it's just it makes me sad to think about that i've been having those thoughts you know because today i would likeit's like this i'm like okay move on next like you know um so yeahand it's insane like when i think with a bad mindset or like with uh not being prepared for it you you from 100 comments or 100 dms one is negative and you concentrate on this one like you 99 are positive and people say yeah thanks for your content thanks for being you etc and then there's this one person and you you are like so concentrated like i know this like um it's um yeah i think it's different as a brand than uh as a as a as a person like um as a public uh athlete um public person but um still it's it takes a lot of mental work and to to concentrate on the good and to concentrate on course yeah that's exactly what i did in the beginning in the beginning of course i got a lot of positive comments but i focused on the bad ones um now i'm just now i'm the completely opposite so so that's that's nice because i can imagine i can imagine that people share like happy moments with you that they uh send you messages that they are super inspired uh et cetera i see all your dm's like you share uh that you you you have to work through or like you are you are able to work through so there has to be a lot of positive things a lot i'm so happy that people share with me as well because i know like uh a lot of when i i answer all my dms um and a lot of uh people a lot of the people that are writing when i apply and they apply back they're like i never thought that you would answer oh my god you answered me like and that makes it so uh so worth it and that makes me want to apply even more and that's why i do it because i mean they take their time to write to me that i inspired them they learned this from me i lost 10 kgs because of you i went to the gym every day i'm like no way i'm not gonna answer this you know so uh yeah i'm super super thankful and happy for all the the messages i get daily nice yeah i also said it in the interview with the calisthenic movement like i think it was in 2013 and i had shoulder pain while doing uh pull-ups and i was asking yeah like i was writing to the instagram page of calisthenic movement and i was like i was so surprised that they replied back and i was so happy like i was so proud you know like oh damn they they replied to me and it's like you can make such a happy moment like with uh with them taking 10 15 seconds of that time exactly and i think that makes the difference in the audience as well 100 nice yeah diet nutrition how important is it uh also some some questions about it like what is your view viewpoint on nutritionum like how my illustration looks like yeah how important is it for performance yeah um i'm all about balance uh so i i always say like eat everything but not always like don't eat too much of everything because eating too much of cucumber isn't good either and too much of chocolate isn't good either so balance i'm trying to just like of course i'm trying to eat more of the like more nutritious stuff uh but if i want to have a bite of chocolate on a wednesday i'm not gonna get anxious about it you know i eat it and i'm happybut to perform good in training we we know that it's important to get good nutrition uh all the macros is needed protein carbs and fats so you shouldn't exclude anything um like i can't eat bread because la la la i don't know why um of course if you don't if you're not allergic but if you think it will make you fat you are wrong um don't exclude but include instead so uh that's something uh that's something that i've been doing for years and that's what makes me feel the best i feel good about myself and i can perform the best cool and you're also a big fan of pre-cooking i think like preparing the meals i guess yeah like me prep meal prep yeah is this also uh something that you would recommend um well yes of course if you don't like to cook every single day um like why i meal prep is basically just because i don't enjoy cooking that muchi want like fast i want fast food in my system and when i come home from the training i don't want to need to stand there and cook something so a meal prep like a meal box just to take it out from the fridge heat it up eat it it's perfect um and it also makes you like a little bit more aware of what you're eating throughout the day so yeah i can really recommend it of course that's cool in general your nutrition may be uh talking about um yeah what kind of nutrition like um do you do you eat fish a lot of fish or like meat or like what what kind how does your nutrition in detail look like um i eat i try to eat everything um but i have a little bit i don't enjoy that much to eat protein in like uh like in meat or chicken or fish or something like that um i i'm a carb girl i love carbs i can eat like so so much carbs but uh i mean i'm um i'm i'm fighting to get that protein into my system um so thank god for supplementsno but like i eat everything but i also try i try to eat as balanced as possible so vegetarian protein sources as well um as chicken or fish or whateverit's the first time that i hear the the word carp girl i thinki think i never heard that before i don't think i've heard it eithermight be a cool like it might be a cool thing to write in your bio except like uh like replacing the nordic champion with carp girl you know like yeah like instead of cowgirl you know yeah carb girl nice so yeah speaking of supplements um what are some supplements that you would uh like that you take just for yourself uh what what supplements do you take for yourself um just like protein powder and creatine it's the only supplements i take and protein powder i take it because ilike i said i have a hard time eating protein sources like from food so this this when i don't get enough protein in my system i eat some protein powder and it's basically every day souhbut like it's not it's not like because just because you train you like work out you have to take protein powder you have to take supplements absolutely not i just do it because uh if if and because i don't get enough from the foodso um yeah protein powder it's quite clear something that yeah um yeah it's self explaining a little but um yeah creatine like uh what is what is the reason why you take creatine how does it help you in your in your life yeah so basically the reasons i say creatine is for um like performance to perform better um for more power when i train and also for uh recovery and it's like it's the most well studied supplement out there so and it works for me i've done it for maybe two years now i think um and i don't have any plans to to quit itdo you get heavier with uh with creatine no um i know some like get uh like swollen or i'll say like water filled yeah but i it's nothing i i've noticed on myself um so i think it's very individual okay i get i can get a bit i get a little bit more tight if you can say that uh but not heavier no okay cool that's good uh like creatine i don't take it um this is why again i'm always uh interested in and why people take it i think i know a lot of weighted people who take it like uh for waiters one rep max etc um but um yeah i'm i'm just interested in how it helps you for the freestyle performance but like strength wise you said um it helps yeah yeah interesting um yeah what can we expect from you this year like uh are what are some goals that you still have for 2022um well in like training wise and like skill wise i want to unlock like a solid straddle patch um and a front lever would be amazing as well um like some days i have a pretty pretty okay straddle but a full one would be amazing competition wise i'm planning to do three competitions this year which is more than i'm used to first of all right now i'm preparing for the swedish nationals as i told you um and then of course the nordics i don't know when that will be this year but some i think in after the summer in the fall and then i would love to do my first world championshipsbecause i think it's about time so those are my competition goals for this year wow that's super nice freaking out yeah i can imagine like what is the reason that you i didn't go to the to the uh world championship yet because well the first years let's say the first three years i didn't feel i was like i don't really want to say this but i didn't feel i was good enough to go there um whenever i do a competition i wanna know that i can perform good and then i can that i can place pretty like okay in the top i wanna be in the top i i'm not gonna lie um so the first three years i was like yeah i didn't feel ready for it and then i remember some year it got cancelled because of kovid i think and then one year i was injured in my wrist so i think yeah so this is like the six years sixth sixth year um that i have the opportunity to go there um and yeah i i really there's something i really want to experience yeah it's on the bucket list yes so to say nice yeah super curious like i can i always like i think we also um because we also thought yeah who will become world champion this uh this year uh like um uh female male and uh yeah we also thought yeah why does marlene when didn't she participate yet like this is like we were sitting there and we're like ah why and so yeah now i know we have the answer yeah but that's cool yeah she's sitting in cold sweden uh eating carbs and uh yeah replying to dms he doesn't have time for the i don't have time nice yeah so now you know the answer yeah cool super looking forward to uh to see you there and uh will be will be a good experience like will be an a great experience just for life in general no matter no matter how it will go yeah true cool yeah we're slowly coming to an end of the interview we always have some quick questions at the end of every interview and i will start off with asking what's your favorite food uhprobably like tacosokay mexican tacos nice yeah i like to worry like i don't i'm not a fan of eating it's actually i don't even know if tacos is my favorite food because tomorrow i could say sushi and yeah and yesterday maybe i i said hamburger actually i don't know okay but today it feels like taco so yeah okay the cartwheel has spoken um obvious question for everybody who follows you on social media but are you more a dog or a cat person dog person oh he's here come say hi he's shy oh hellookay go back to sleep poor dog yeah dog person nice what's what's your favorite skilluh at the moment i would say handstand push upcool what what athletes inspire youthwhat athletes um i would say like athletes who who are of course on a high level but at the same time are really humble like down to earth they don't think they are much better than anyone else um i think that's really inspiring and if i'm gonna name drop here i have to say my dear friend simon hauser of course he's 100 my biggest inspiration at the moment um also because like he's he's pretty new to the sport actually he hasn't done it so many years and he's really such he's really on a such high level um he's so humble he has like the best personality and uh yeah i just love him that's greatnice um pull or push are you more a pull a push person push push cool favorite movieoh i like series better than movies i'm not a movie person really so if i can say siri instead i would say la casa de papel okay it's amazing nice yeah what's your favorite music music genrefor like training trap or rap i would say um outside of training pop maybeor maybe like just what's on the uh today's hit list on spotify that's my fearnice yeah it all really like it seems you're somebody who lives every day as it is like one day is sushi and what's on the spotify list and on the other day it's tacos and uh what's on the spotify list so yeah forever for you every day is different exactly nice uh what was the best calisthenics event you've ever been at um beast of the bars no but like i like events that are well organized and beast of the bars is one of the best organized events that i've been at and also i didn't compete but fibo like world of war heroes what year was it 2009 last time yeah those two i would say cool nice um yeah and the final question what's your message to the calisthenics communitygood one well i would say it's never too late to start because i started calisthenics pretty late i think um there's always something that you can do um i didn't think i would be able to do anything and look at me now um and like even if your goal feels so far away there's always somewhere that you can start and what else don't let anyone tell you what you can or can't doand just never never forget who you are be yourself okay enoughcool thanks for sharing quotes yeah yeah it looked like i was i was thinking maybe you have the whole wall full of posters and you're just reading the the different quotes but uh yeah i actually have two of them just toonice yeah uh thanks for this interview um how can people get in touch with you how can they reach you and yeah how can they learn from you as well you're offering uh coaching i guess the plans at the um yeah maybe you want to talk a little about that yeah like if if you just want to reach out to me uh the best would be on instagram dms uh whatever it is if you want like coaching i would go to my website kellyexpert.com um i offer online coaching um like personal training and also online courses that are like general and not customizedyes really cool we will link we will put the links in the description so people can find your instagram if they don't know yet but also uh the the website and uh yeah thank you so much thank you thanks to you for your time uh it was a pleasure talking to you it was a pleasure to to finally have you on uh on the on the podcast now at the end i can say that i tried since months to get you on the podcastanyways i'm super happy that you made the time that you um yeah shared so much from your workout from your life and yeah it was a super pleasure to talk with you and before you can end the episode marilyn i want to say thank you to everyone listening to this till the end i'm super proud and happy that somebody listens to an interview for an hour and yeah if you liked the episode give it a thumbs up helps a lot and so yeah you could you can say goodbye thank you so much for having me i'm also happy that i finally took my time um and yeah it was it was an honor to to be here so thank you so much and thank you all for listening and maybe we'll see each other in the future.