JACK VINATI | Full Planche with 202cm & 103kg | Interview | The Athlete Insider Podcast #50
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A few months ago we discovered someone on social media who was holding a full pledge for 10 seconds was doing full front lever and this guy wasn't the ordinary calisthenics guy he was over two meters tall and over 100 kg heavy extreme height extreme weight extreme aesthetics this meant we needed to do this interview i'm extremely happy to be able to present you today the 50th episode of the athlete insider podcast with a really special guest a special episode jack was kind enough to talk about his workout advice his planche advice how to select a coach and how to reach your goals quicker it's not perfect for him his legs are bad and i say i say i say you're right he's right again we provide all the details and all the chapters for the stuff that we talk about so you can select the part that is interesting for you feel free to watch it till the end because there are a lot of interesting things in it enjoy and keep growing guys you gorillas welcome to the athlete insider podcast by gornation my name is phil and today's episode is a special episode with a special guest with a guest that is uh inspiring the calisthenics community with his extreme aesthetics and it's not only that he does full planche and front lever but he is like he has a special physique let's say and so with his two meters two centimeters and 103 kg i'm really happy to welcome you to the show from italy jack vinati hello everybody jack so i'm happy that you fit into the camera which is like you already look huge huge on camera this is uh really like it's a really play it's a real pleasure to talk with you and to do this interview so um we received a lot of questions from the community but first of all uh yeah maybe for the us listeners uh you're six feet seven i guess uh seven inches tall and 225 pounds yes that's insane so um yeah do you want to kick off presenting yourself who are you what do you do yeah um hello everybody my name is giacomo vinati but everybody calls me jack yeah this reminds me the duff punk meme yeah it's funny i'm a software engineer and and the sort of calisthenics athlete i say i said sort because i cannot be a real athlete until i participate in a competition i played basketball for 11 years i was also a professional one but at the age of 22 i quit due to a crossed and collateral ligaments knee injury and from there i started going to the gym for three four years until i discovered calisthenics wow basketball that's something i we received some questions here why don't you play basketball with your height uh but you you already did yeah yeah you already crossed that chapter already quit insane uh did did the your career and basketball bring you something for calisthenics or is it a completely completely different i think it's completely different yeah completely okay so not even mindset things or like the competitive uh attitude that you're there maybe you know or for him for the menthol a competition yeah i say yeah i can see you i agree but dude it's not a physical so i it's a totally different totally different sport sure so is i i had to start from scratch yeah i can imagine and have you been that massive already playing basketball or uh did you start eating more when you uh when you started your your workout maybe i started eating more when i started doing calisthenics but not too much more than before it was almost the same more or less okay cool then uh yeah let's jump into your beginnings with calisthenics with the static workout let us let us know how did you start with the sport how were your beginnings uh why did you start with calisthenics and not with the typical gym stuff okay i i remember a free three and a half years ago a video called calisthenics street workout appeared on my youtube home and it had millions of views and i had never heard this name calisthenics and i was intrigued about it so i watched it and and was amazed by the skills of this athlete it was frank mitrano who did the front lever dragon flag and stem push ups one hour pull ups and i thought cool i want to do it too and so i started looking for coaches in my city but i couldn't find anyone and the same time i remember many told me that i was too tall and too heavy for this sport and that i would never make it so i just wanted to prove to everyone that they were wrong and that even someone two meters tall and 100 kill weight could be able to do skill so it has become a challenge against everyone and above all against myself well there you already like said so many uh valuable and interesting things um so first of all you directly looked for a coach right um where did this this idea come from because most of the calisthenics people they start training they look up tutorials they try by their self themselves they i don't know yeah because i i started maybe i i i tried for two three months to train just looking just watching the youtube videos but nothing changed nothing so one of my friend told me i remember there is a really good coach in verona is a city he's a one hour far from here and so i i text him and at first he said the same thing no you cannot do it you're too tall you're too heavy and i said please let me show you for maybe two three four months follow me and i will show you that maybe i can do i can prove you're wrong okay so your goal was always statics or did you start with uh like the the goal of a muscle up or some reps more yeah yeah it was more a thing of about of skills more than aesthetic or body uh so i wanted to i was impressed by the full clash the full planche i think it's my favorite skill and i said that i i want to do that wow a lot of people told you that you aren't able to do that like um that even your coach says no i i won't coach you you're like uh too too big too tall at first of course um so what what did they make with you like what uh what were your thoughts like did you always have this contrary thinking that you thought yeah i will prove you i will yeah yeah yeah yeah i will yeah i i always thought i don't mind i know might of others people though okay and um yeah did you feel that it was heavier like you don't have the comparison you're you know like um i think the last time you were one meter 50 it was being 10 years old or something so you don't have the comparison yeah i mean at the beginning or in general at the beginning i remember that at first the first few months i found it hard just hang on the bar for more than 20 seconds and i remember that my hands and forearms always hurt it was difficult and not very motivating at the beginning because i i felt like a little dumb doing trivial exercises such as plank on the ground or hollow position and i always thought i'll never make it or it will take me forever to reach just one skill but when i start achieving my first skills just like the front lever i began to understand what calisthenics is so it's completely different support from the others so uh let me explain it's not like bodybuilding or powerlifting where no attention attention is paid to joint mobility and in calisthenics the technique is even more important because you um almost always work with your whole body when you perform a skill so there must be a new um and unique synergy you have to feel your body completely for example when you do the handstand it's not it's not uh it's not easy you have to understand how to feel how the feet are positioned the shoulder the rhetoric the retroversion of the pelvis uh thinking about pushing up against uh the ground with shoulders and all this must be done at the same time this is why i think it's more difficult and more satisfying or rewarding than other sports it's like becoming a sort of accelerometer and gyroscope at the same time you have to know your the position of each by each part of your body your space yeah yeah it's a big street yeah so um like it wasn't easy in the beginning so did you always like ever had the thoughts of quitting or stopping i never i never thought about giving up and if i were able to achieve all the skills there are skills that i like and participate in some competition maybe two or three maybe i could dedicate myself to pure strength exercise and give up with the skill i don't know maybe weighted dips whether pull-ups deadlifts and squat i don't know yeah and uh is your goal to compete uh in the in the near future or in the future yeah yeah yeah but i think is uh it's very hard because there is there are no weight categories at all and i think i would never win a competition buys i don't mind i don't mind so you would also compete just for the experience and just for fun yeah for saying i i did it i proved everybody that i did it yeah and i like it i i imagine this situation you competing and like everybody just whoa whoa like uh i think it would be priceless to see all the faces uh like of the people seeing that it's possible and that their excuse of weight or height isn't isn't uh isn't right and um yeah i think like you're inspiring a lot of athletes out there because especially the tall athletes are feeling um a lot of like we receive a lot of questions and uh comments and messages of tall athletes who are like not discouraged but like they need more motivation than small athletes because they have it harder yeah yeah because um i especially i never thought at the word impossible but more difficult to achieve for example an average athlete takes the full planche maybe in few months instead it took me over two years sometimes it's frustrating but my motto is uh slowly but surely so never be in a hurry even if the improvements are tiny i also want to add a little truth because uh very often i read comments from people who say that tall person make makes the same effort as shorter one and is a lot it's totally it's completely lie so it's a physics question so it's let's take a little physical physics lesson if you have longer levers a larger weight force than normal acts on them and this is a double disadvantage firstly with longer levels it's more difficult to exert an iron force due to the fact that the arm is much longer than usual and therefore it will be not suitable to act with it it's also a matter of momentum and you can you can find the different um physics formula and just searching and surfing on web and secondly more weight means to exert a larger force in order to front it so my body usually is not anatomically ready to front uh this kind of effort for example for the full planche or front lever pull ups so i need to be stronger with the respect to thinner a shorter guys in order to achieve a certain movement or the same movement so um it's also a matter matter of range of movement if you have longer arms then the path that you need to cover during all the execution of the movement is larger than normal this is even worse than waiting more than normal because scientifically wrong deficit is harder than a weight increase so rom is much bigger for tall guys than the short one and also a linear increase in height corresponds not to a linear increase in force but the cubic one to be generating a cubic force uh sorry a cubic increase in the force to be generated for to perform the same movement yeah so this is physics these are facts because i always read comments like that and i think they're wrong it's good that you point this out and you seem like somebody who is like really scientifically approaching his training and reading a lot and learning a lot about the sport is that true yes um i discuss a lot of time with one of my friends ciao white and his is a he's a nuclear physicist and he does calisthenics so we talked about a lot of times about the weight disadvantage and the lever disadvantage um in your trainings like what is the limiting factor do you have like especially one body part that you always feel that this is the the part where it's hardest i can imagine for example the wrists have to be extremely strong if they if you have like such a crazy angle plus that weight that is pushing uh no uh i think the the worst one is uh the long head of biceps is a is a muscle inside here near the shoulder and i think is the most stressed in the in the plunge straddle of um full plunge or uh straddle plunge push ups and and and this is the worst one no i i i've never had problems on wrists or forearms never wow good for you that's because i i work a lot with joy with your mobility because i think it's one of the most important thing in this sport true in general do you do a lot of mobility work yeah usually 10 to 15 minutes before the workout and 10 to 20 minutes after the workout every time yeah every time every every time i know it's boring it's really really boring but i think it's the most important thing well that's that's good to know um yeah what's what was the first skill that you learned let's jump back to your beginnings um the first skill my first real skill was the front lever it took me uh if i remember four five months to get my first seconds in full by real i mean a skill that you can see in competition because i remember for example i used to do the dragon flag before the front lever but it helped me a lot with the front lever too um and that's it this is my first first one this was well i also saw when i checked your instagram profile you also like in the beginning you posted front lever mostly and then uh it switched more and more to to the planche so i already yeah yeah and in general are you more a push person or a pool person from your genetics and uh i'm stronger in in pool exercises but i prefer the push ones okay okay interesting so do you think you can switch the focus like do you think one day you will be stronger and in push uh movements because of your i don't know i think i'm i'm stronger in pulsar due to my genetics and my body structure but i don't know i i struggle every time with with a push one okay um yeah then let's let's jump into the question um people uh asked how long did it take from the first workout ever from the first calisthenics workout ever to the first straddle planche can you take us um to this journey um so it took me um from zero to the first straddle i remember if i remember correctly one and a half years and i mean the first two seconds of straddle plunge if i'm not mistaken it was october november of 2019 then i had an exponential improvement in march 2020 so last year and i did my first 10 seconds in straddle plunge and after my 10 seconds of straddle planche i started training the half lay and the full leg punch these two exercises are really tough because they require a lot of hip mobility and a lot of glute activation and i hope i hold my first full plunge from lean position starting from lean position towards the end of may of last year then during the last summer i had a stalemate if it's correct i don't know and in december i did my first five seconds in full clash and then in march so almost two months ago my first 10 seconds in full clash i know in the video that i put with by 10 seconds it's the form is not 100 correct i should stretch my legs but i'm always afraid of falling well my face so i unconsciously keep them a little bent the bent legs were was it during the full planche what you just said the full punch yeah okay yeah if you can see in the video my legs are not completely stretched those are a little bit bent okay do you think it's good to just show the perfect form like um to oh um yeah i've you i usually don't post too much on social because i i i don't like to to show every micro improvement that i can i can achieve maybe every week or every month i want to show when i i want to post to make a post when i achieve a skill maybe at 90 percent so it's not completely correct but i'm i think maybe it's okay yeah and like when somebody's uh writes i don't know it's not perfect for him his legs are bad and i say i say i say you're right i also uh wrote it down on the description of my my video okay so for you it's not like an offense or something it's just uh no no no it's it's right it's a compliment okay cool um yeah like um how long how does your workout look like today like uh your schedule for the week how is your workout structured during the week okay um i'm training five times a week right now and from the first lockdown i do to the coffee 19 i've always trained at home and in november my brother built for me an entire tailor-made iron structure for example the bar are 2 meter and 75 tall and with also larger diameters because it's really difficult for me to use structures that are in the parks for example the fixed parallels are too narrow for me and to get back to what i was talking about my workouts are divided into three workouts where i work full flash to improve seconds and the technique straddle push straddle punch push ups straddle plunge press and one arm pull ups in the other two workouts front lever pull ups handstand handstand push ups and legs and in all workouts as i said before i do a lot of joy mobility before and after and usually my schedule changes every month where at the end of each one i have to test my maximum which are used by my coach to calibrate the next the next schedule wow these are a lot of skills like um front lever pull ups straddle push ups um um one one on pull ups like you have a lot of skills in in your training um yeah yeah the the focus is is do you have like a few moves that skills that are the focus and the rest uh for example this month the main focus is on uh the full always the full planche because maybe i can have uh transfer to the straight dog plunge push ups in fact yes i could almost close them my first threaded planche press yesterday wow i still i yeah i still need 20 degrees more to get closer wow that's cool and uh like um do you feel that uh i don't know the the biceps uh strength that you gain through one arm pull-ups or front lever pull-ups does it also help this bicep strength for the planche no i think are different movements because when i do the one arm pull ups i use a lot of legs in the first part and in the last one and the final part because i'm training it on the ring not on the bar because on the ring is more difficult because you have to touch the ring with your chest and in in the last movement in the last part you work a lot with your tricep okay and can you go more into in into depth uh into your workouts like um how much rest do you do uh do you always do like uh 100 in every workout or like at how much below my schedule um is is a is part of a bigger uh sort of plan so i maybe a three three month ago i started with 65 of intensity then the next month the the main exercise are different mark our focus um are always focused for the same skills uh from the full flash uh plus a struggle two shots uh one arm pull up but the um the intensity increase every month 65 75 85 percent for example two weeks ago i was at my um i did my last week of the last schedule and i was at 90 yeah okay wow um do you also do deload uh weeks or deload trainings yeah uh for example my schedule um is three weeks of or full intense work and the the fourth one is like an activity load with the the last three days when i where i test my maximum for example max holding full plunge um max reps of frontal level plops or uh how can the one arm pull up in angles okay etcetera etcetera and what in this training schedule is your advice to somebody who wants to learn the planche because we received like as you can imagine a lot of questions uh what's his best advice for the planche what what does his plan secrets like what in general if you have to tell something what's what gave you the best results for plan uh first and most important thing as i mentioned before working on joint mobility because the planche for total athletes is very stressful in terms of muscles and tendons of the biceps and shoulders second advice don't be in a hurry most of the times tall people have to do much more preparatory exercise to reach a skill especially for the plunge for example i didn't go straight from straddle plunge to full clash but i have to work on half lay fully and also with the dream machine that i think is uh the the the equipment that helped me the most yeah um do you know what the dream machine is maybe for the people who don't know it it's um if you want to explain it yeah the dream machine is a it's an equipment that is used by professional gymnasts i wear a climbing harness to which i hook two ropes and that pass through a rotating pulley attached to the bar and then the ropes are connecting on the other side to the weights i built it by myself and i think it's the most useful piece of a keep all the equipment for tall athletes because you can scale the weight precisely without having to use hundreds of of different loop bands furthermore loop bands uh have a disadvantage that they degrade over the time no longer holding the same weight indicate and secondly in dynamic exercises for example front lever pull ups plunge push ups or one arm pull ups you never know how much weight you're unloading when the loop band is uh is not in his maximum extension so they are useful but they have their own limits wow that's interesting and so you so i didn't know that you train also a lot in rings did you feel that the ring training uh helped you a lot for um for the planche like uh the stability that you gained in rings no rings helped me a lot for uh for the 1r pull up because i i've just i've always tried the full clash on on the parallettes okay never on the rings i think it's more difficult okay so you have a dream machines not with rings but with parallels no no the rings are uh yeah yeah i can use my dream machine also because uh they are attached uh one to the to the uh to the climbing harness and the other side to the weights i can also um switch and uh uh hook them hook the two ropes uh on the switch harness and uh and then to the rings so it's a real dream machine it's a little bit different so uh if i hook the two ropes uh to the weights i can scale in precisely in a precise way and i can do a full plunge for plunge push-ups uh plunge press one arm pull up every uh also from clever collapse oh makes sense sounds good um yeah so these are the reasons that you think that uh like you learned the planche um and uh maybe some smaller athletes or like athletes who have like even a better genetics um didn't um like or does it also have something to do with the with the thing that you said that you have to have patience you know like you use you um that you don't rush um like what are the maybe also the mental things behind learning the planche honestly i don't know how others athletes train and i can't say anything about it but i can say that i reached the planche mainly thanks to my coach alessandro that i say hi to alessandro if i if it hadn't been for him now i would have already changed sport maybe yeah wow that's uh that's a quote so um like for you it's you would always um would you recommend to everyone picking a coach and if he wants to achieve big things in calisthenics yeah because um i think for tall athletes like um like me it's it's quite impossible to follow the youtube youtube videos i think they are a sort of quick clickbait if you know what i mean because i think there are no general uh there is no general way or there are no general routines that that apply to everyone most likely most likely the one that worked for me may not work for the others so it's too subjective as a sport and i think there is no universal method that applies to everyone maybe it can work for shorter and lighter soft leads but it will definitely never work for taller and heavier ones okay so you think like um youtube is good for maybe general information about the sport like um general stuff but if if uh if the listeners want to have like really information for themselves and uh like a coach that can look into one's body and uh like one's performance etc and analyze like uh movement patterns etc it's like smarter to have a coach yeah yeah definitely yeah um yeah the question that uh you already answered a little bit is um that people ask if you work on your legs so um is it possible to have this weight and this height that you have and work on on legs while having the full planche this is a question that is quite interesting so yeah tell us your opinion about leg training yeah yes i train them once a week but the gyms have closed since the last october do you do the copy 19 and the only exercise i can do is bulgarian squats with dumbbells and i think yeah it's partly a disadvantage but also an advantage work like work work on legs uh with calisthenics also if you're a tall athlete make me explain better a disadvantage because having two heavy legs would not allow me to to be able to do almost any skill if i train my legs seriously maybe two three four times a week i would weight 110 150 kilos and no more you know have you ever watched the johnny bravo cartoon in your life i don't think so yeah it was a short cartoon when this guy is like has a um upside down triangle shape just like me okay so my body has always been like that despite having played basketball for 11 years so it's my constitution it's my genetic but training them is also an advantage because when you do the pledge you need to have strength in the lower back and the bluetooth you have to be one you have to feel the synergy with the whole body when you work uh working your legs helps play in the plunge press and because it requires a lot of activation of glutes and also for the straddle one active active opening of the legs yeah and that's it okay so train the legs but not too much does it also help to train in the right uh rep um rep range like to not build massive legs but only um strong legs yeah uh i just train in a normal way and my goal is not to have a huge and big legs because i i think i i would not reach a huge mass my my genetic is a is different true but how many reps do you do per set approximately is it five or is that fifteen i made four four sets four five sets uh and i repeat it three four times because it's the only exercise i can do at home and we do 10 to 12 reps okay cool um yeah do you want to tell us more about your day like uh besides um uh the the workout like as you're uh also with your profession as a software software engineer um like um how does your day look like um i usually wake up at 7 00 am having breakfast go to work at about half past 5 p.m i start training and then in the evening i either study or watch videos on different programming languages or frameworks yeah i'm a nerd and since since a month to now i've been reading a very interesting interesting book on machine about machine learning in python we that uses keras tensorflow and scikit libraries and sometimes in the evening maybe before going to sleep i like to watch videos about astrophysic or astrophysics and quantum mechanics so i have no special routines okay but you're somebody who like likes to learn and likes to read and uh like uh learn new stuff right yeah that's cool nice um let's talk about your nutrition um how do you eat how do you how important do you think is is food for your performance um i i don't follow a particular diet i never wait what i eat but i always try to eat healthy and many times a day maybe six seven times a day for example in the morning i eat tons of greek yogurt and with the whole grains um at 10 p.m uh i hit a greek yogurt again and for lunch i usually have pasta or basmati rice and chicken or other kind of meat and after training i drink a protein sugar and for dinner i have fish and vegetables and before going to sleep if some i take some i eat some protein source without carbohydrates and fats so i don't always eat so many times a day it also depends on the on the commitments between work and university so and on but on weekends i usually keep one day when i can eat what i want cool and what is your favorite food on cheat day burgers nice so like do you have like um do you do you think like uh the protein is really is important for your performance or is it because you you for me it sounded like you had like fish meat like uh greek yogurt your in every meal you had protein how how important do you think it is for your performance uh i i think that is really important along with sleeping at least six to seven hours night but i can say that when i eat badly i feel a decline in performance especially in pushing the exercises so for example if i eat too much carbs before before the workout i i feel i feel less less strength and that's it how do you think about supplements usually after training i have a protein sugar and and eat a banana that's it nothing more or nothing less sometimes when i feel very very tired i take the bcaa and stop okay so no creatine did you ever take never okay well interesting um yeah let's talk about injuries um what injuries did you have on the way uh until now fortunately no however two years ago i got a very deep contracture of the rhomboid on my back which lasted two two months i no longer felt strength in any exercise and i remember that at the time i was doing uh the rope climbs and they are very very tough and i couldn't do and do them anymore virtually a very good osteopathy uh with the use of hagoter ago therapy with electrodes was able in a short time to get me through the contractor so this is the the only injury okay so like to prevent injuries as you said uh mobility is important yeah um how important is warm up um yeah the warm-up for example it depends on on the workout uh for example if i have one or two up and and or any kind of exercise like plunge or life push-ups or plunge press i do five five six six minutes of warm up so the warm up is for me the basic really basic exercises for example i do tuck plunge or advanced punch or attack plunge push ups uh or maybe ten tempo normal pull ups on the bar but very slowly and that's it i think it's more important the joint mobility so you enter the training room and then you start with your joint mobility yeah first joint mobility and then the warm-up and then i start the workout okay and then for what time span approximately two and a half hours two and a half hours yeah well that's five times a week yeah and uh then afterwards again ten to fifteen minutes of joint mobility no no it's a two no it's a two and a half hour uh with uh with the joint mobility okay before and after cool and uh what is your opinion on cardio does it help you for um uh when i when i quit with basketball i think i i've never do it again no no cardio no circuits nothing wow no i because i don't do um endurance exercises only strength and also skills and that's it somebody asked also about your weighted numbers do you sometimes do uh weighted uh training with uh yeah right i am i'm not strong on weighted exercises but i never do uh i've never did a specific maximum strength or weighted training and honestly as far as deeps for the deep screen dips are concerned i think it's a little bit dangerous movement i'm talking about dips to do with high gloss because uh i've seen a lot of people get hurt trying to lift one up from 100 to 200 percent of their weight in the dips and so i've never gone any further so for example my maximum with pull ups is 80 80 kilos and for the dips is almost 90. oh yeah i know no no no it's it's very low yeah but the deep is low still it's it's it's uh it's an impressive number like uh in in my opinion but uh like 80 kg and pull that's um that's uh quite strong that's cool but i prefer the skill yeah i know that's uh that's good perfect um yeah um maybe to sum up all the the the experience that you now gathered in in calisthenics maybe you want to sum up like what are the three main things that you want to tell the listeners to progress quicker or like um to have more results in in calisthenics yeah um having a good coach don't be in a hurry so like my motto slowly but surely and always work and join mobility well that's uh cool so if i'm the listener now and i want to go out and look for a coach what's the most important thing that i have to look out for coach is it the the personal relation that it's good or short interruption here jack asked us to put a detailed reply to this question into this interview so he sent us an audio enjoy i think it's very important to be followed by competent person who demonstrate what he has done and who proves to have had experience and results on extremely wide audience for example told people because in this way you are more likely to fall into that case furthermore it's significant if he has trained in related disciplines such as artistic gymnastics or not an athlete who has grown up in a recognized sport like gymnastics is more likely to teach calisthenics best because in turn they have been followed by coaches who have been trained for example by national olympic committee and so they have a certain qualification and have undergone school of indoctrination the person does inherits a certain method working method an athlete who only grew up exclusively in the park is likely to have trained randomly and training others only as he trained it will only be good for people identical to him and that's it interesting yeah i can i can understand what you where you're going um what can we expect from you in the future what are your goals right now where do you where where what's the next youtube upload which will blow everyone away okay the first goal is to achieve a lot of skills for example take the straddle punch press the full punch press it's very tough being able to do eight to ten reps of front lever pull ups for now i can do it on just three only three there is one of my there is a video on youtube that uploaded my coach and also the one for at one end front lever is super cool or and same push ups full plunge push ups iron cross a ring iron cross and the festo i also like the maltese but i think it's out of reach for me i think it's too dangerous for my height and weight it's also generates too much stress on the long head of the biceps and the second goal as i said before is to be able to participate in some competition and i know i would never win against athletes smaller than me but i don't care but it would be great if weighted categories were introduced because they would allow many more people to approach the world of calisthenics and make these sports more competitive it's always my opinion yeah like uh if if if somebody listens to this and he has the same opinion we can start a petition uh so like what categories are are established because i can definitely relate to that yeah and like as you said like you receive uh messages we receive messages from tall athletes who feel a little bit discouraged or excluded from the calisthenics world so it would definitely be an interesting step that's that's true and on the other hand it would be insane to see you competing i don't know at burning gate uh and uh like against all the uh all the like uh normal athletes i would say like uh just being being the tallest which would motivate a lot of people i think yeah it will be fun nice we're slowly coming to an end of the interview we still have some quick questions quick answers at the end you already answered the first one what do you prefer pizza or burger even as an italian uh like you say you say burger um are you a dog or a cat person absolutely a dog person do you own a dog yeah a big one it's a corso dog the breed is a corso it's an italian breed is it's 54 kilos wow yes he is huge he's like a black thunder wow and you're probably the only person in italy who can hold the dog and who can uh like uh who is able to breathe yeah yeah nice uh do you have a favorite location for holidays yeah grease for now for the because of the greek yogurt yeah nice uh yeah what are the athletes that inspire you and your workouts emanuele mageli the italian champion skarlux and caruso wow i think they are they are the strongest the italian aesthetics uh statics legends nice yeah um yeah do you have a favorite book yeah i had one it's called the it's named the last horizon of written by amadeo balbi amado balbi is a famous italian astrophysicist and the book provides a sort of synthesis of modern cosmology describing both the results achieved and the limits encountered in the cognitive investigation of the universe addressed with the methods of empirical science yeah well that that sounds like uh really uh scientific let's call it that no no i didn't say nerd yeah i said scientific good uh yeah you already wear it on your t-shirt maybe but what's your favorite music what's what are your favorite bands genera generally is middle i'm a metal head definitely my favorite band i don't know maybe ramstein or slipknot or five finger death punch i don't know i like them all so the ramstein are different because they are industrial middle and they are the only one in the world and they are amazing awesome great so yeah like if you listen to ramstein we can maybe do the next interview in german uh because you you i don't know i don't think so maybe nice day yeah one one day one day um we can go on on a ramstein concert then yeah for sure cool um yeah the best calisthenics event you've ever visited have you like do you visit uh some some events sometimes it's it's funny but i've never been to an event in my life because during uh summer event events i've always had university exam said i didn't have any time yeah i know okay so that's uh that's also a goal which is uh in the future cool um yeah the your favorite skill food brush full plunge press or full flash push ups cool and the last question your message to the calisthenics community what do you want to tell the listeners calisthenics i think this is a fantastic sport even it's if it's very stressful on a physical and mental level but it can be very rewarding so don't listen to anyone who tells you you cannot do it only you are your own judges yeah it sounds good sounds perfect sounds great yeah awesome jack how where do the people find you we will put all the links in the description um you have youtube you have instagram yeah uh people can find me on instagram on jack.pinatti or youtube this is jack venati also me and a friend of mine white char white created an instagram page two years ago called bar giants which brings together all the best calisthenics of sweets in the world there are taller than 1 meters and 85 we decided yeah we decided to create this speech because no one no one else has ever done it and we wanted to show to the world that there are also two people who can do calisthenics skills weighted or acrobatics one so if you're taller than 100 185 and you want to send us a video just take a look at the page on instagram wow that's that's really cool i really love that that you also use uh your time to to inspire more people uh not only with your performances but also like sharing and giving the possibility um to yeah give give other tall athletes the the the um yeah the possibility to shine and to be seen that's cool and and that's it i just want to say hello to all the guys of the of the page of the group javaregatsy and to my coach joe alex that's really cool so uh yeah we're slowly coming to an end jack i'm so thankful that you took the time to do this interview like uh that you um shared your or your experience that was uh hard like connected with hard work with a lot of coaching with a lot of mental barriers broken so um yeah thanks a lot for for your time and before you can end the episode i want to quickly send say uh thank you to everyone listening to this till the end it's uh been a long interview again i'm extremely happy for everyone listening to this um yeah for for a whole hour and i think this interview was definitely interesting uh definitely a special one as the 50th episode so yeah if you liked it give it a thumbs up and jack you can end the episode and again thanks a lot it was a pleasure for me.